Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

[Goodwitch]

Spectre never waved FS, you seriously need to **** off with your lies.

so that's the 7th kingdom that lies then? That was posted by a Spectre player not me, I just quoted.

[citadela01]

so that's the 7th kingdom that lies then? That was posted by a Spectre player not me, I just quoted.

you will drag every bad pos anyone ever posts or says about us here, that is why ignore most of stuff you say and why your word isnt worth paper its written on.
We have SN archive for whole age and Specter never waved us.

Its a lie, you are a liar.

[crixilver]

I said this before and will say it again.
Guys, stop fighting with them. Seriously. What do you expect to happen? They suddenly understand logic and say 'oh you're right now that I think about it..'?
Doing the same thing expecting something different is insanity. Or are you doing it because you enjoy it? If so then grow up.
You explained it enough. It is clear they don't/won't/refuse to get it. Let them say what they want.

[Nightmare_]

I said this before and will say it again.
Guys, stop fighting with them. Seriously. What do you expect to happen? They suddenly understand logic and say 'oh you're right now that I think about it..'?
Doing the same thing expecting something different is insanity. Or are you doing it because you enjoy it? If so then grow up.
You explained it enough. It is clear they don't/won't/refuse to get it. Let them say what they want.

Truth !! :)

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

This what I've gathered:

-FS was #1 honor, SS was #2 honor. FS was ahead by about 3k.
-FS had a standing CF with SS, but no terms on it, meaning they were free to break it whenever they want.
-SS were planning on getting another war, which if they would have won, would have most certainly put them ahead of FS for honor.


I see nothing lame/wrong about FS actively working to secure their crown. They didn't break any deals. They didn't wave some scrub kingdom with nothing to offer just to be a bunch of jerks. It was #1 waving #2. Everything else is QQ.

this post pretty much sums it up accurately.. fs did nothing to justify getting hit into war/getting gbed/getting dealbroken - and appropriate response is being given to those organizing & getting involved in it..

[Attero]

I think Pale says a lot along the same lines on pages 5-8. I won't quote that BC it is a mile long. I remember my steward at the time made a blank cf with Jerks in 63 or whenever MORBOs insano self was running it and that didn't end well for ol dad here and his troopers. #Goodtimes

[Attero]

Oh BTW @utopia HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

[fawk]

This what I've gathered:

-FS was #1 honor, SS was #2 honor. FS was ahead by about 3k.
-FS had a standing CF with SS, but no terms on it, meaning they were free to break it whenever they want.
-SS were planning on getting another war, which if they would have won, would have most certainly put them ahead of FS for honor.


I see nothing lame/wrong about FS actively working to secure their crown. They didn't break any deals. They didn't wave some scrub kingdom with nothing to offer just to be a bunch of jerks. It was #1 waving #2. Everything else is QQ.

I disagree. I do think it's a lame move on FS part.
On the same coin if SS was bigger, it would be legitimazing SS raze killing FS provinces so they could drop FS honor, and ensure the honor crown for themselves.

It's a dick move.
If you want honor crown, fight wars and win them.
Don't ****play smaller kingdoms to stop them from getting a legitmate crown.

In your logic Godlys kingdom would just take honor crown because they would wave/raze the other top 10 honor crown contenders to make sure they don't crown. It's dumb and it's definitely not honorable.
Want a crown, then fight and win wars and earn it. Dont ****play others so you can steal it from them.

And p.s:
i have no idea what the backstory for this is.. just going off what palem said that FS are much bigger than SS, and decided to wave them to stop SS from having a war where they could possibly surpass FS in honor.

[Palem]

If you want honor crown, fight wars and win them.

This is the crux of what we disagree about. Winning wars and generating honor first-hand is certainly one way to go around winning the honor crown, but it's not the only way. You can also take it from the people who are winning these wars so simply can't defend themselves from you. If I said the same thing about land, it would sound silly. "If you want to win the land crown, fight wars and win them." Sure, of course that's an option and running the table and stacking up wins against good quality kingdoms sure is a lot more impressive than getting a quick farm war OOP and then using that leverage to win a crown 14 weeks later, but that's obviously not the only way good kingdoms can get things done.


If CR wants to raze out the top honor kingdoms to try and raise themselves up to the cherished triple crown, they're more than free to try and do it. I don't think it would be successful and I think they would find themselves getting a whole lot of unwanted attention (the kind that would result in kingdoms banding together to work against them), but I certainly wouldn't call it ****playing.


I think what this all boils down to is that some kingdoms think size is an unfair advantage. I agree that it is an advantage, but most definitely not an unfair one. It's an advantage they worked for all age and for good reason, because you're bigger and badder than most of the other kingdoms. Everyone starts at 400 acres. If you think being bigger puts kingdoms at a huge, unbeatable advantage, then why the hell aren't you growing? If it's because you can't grow and collect honor at the same time, then the kingdom that can grow and collect honor at the same time is better than you are. Period. If it's because you didn't want to grow, then you've made a strategical mistake when a bigger kingdom comes along and wants your resources.


Also, I would like to point out the age that Mythos won their honor crown, they had a much larger kingdom in Jerks trying to razekill them out to secure their crown. No one cried(Edit, well there was crying, but not this kind lol). No one started a gangbang. Mythos defended themselves, countered the razes, and won themselves an honor crown.

[Poopsie]

Mythos case is different from FS vs SS. SS didnt called allies to gb FS. They did that on their own. FS called allies to gb raze SS.

So whats the same there? Thats not even a logic for you to understand

[Leonidas]

Exactly what Palem said. Nobody is expecting you to cough up every honour point you earned from randoming a smaller kingdom's honour-laden T/M this age. But that was an advantage of your size as well.

Most importantly, within the game mechanics if you're #1 and #2 surely you're competing? Mythos defended their honour successfully against Jerks. If you can't defend yours, don't expect to keep it. If you're 3k honour away from the #1 kingdom, "I need that honour to fight a war, we're not competing I promise" isn't going to fool anyone.

[Palem]

Mythos case is different from FS vs SS. SS didnt called allies to gb FS. They did that on their own. FS called allies to gb raze SS.

So whats the same there? Thats not even a logic for you to understand

Big kingdom high on the honor chart wants to use their size as leverage against a smaller kingdom to win the Honor crown. It's exactly the same situation, it's just the kingdoms involved handled it better so the outcome was much better.

[DM_Benjamin]

If CR wants to raze out the top honor kingdoms to try and raise themselves up to the cherished triple crown, they're more than free to try and do it. I don't think it would be successful and I think they would find themselves getting a whole lot of unwanted attention (the kind that would result in kingdoms banding together to work against them), but I certainly wouldn't call it ****playing.

Seems like way too much work, we will pass the buck to Vlahul

[TheRealKremlin]

I think what this all boils down to is that some kingdoms think size is an unfair advantage. I agree that it is an advantage, but most definitely not an unfair one. It's an advantage they worked for all age and for good reason, because you're bigger and badder than most of the other kingdoms. Everyone starts at 400 acres. If you think being bigger puts kingdoms at a huge, unbeatable advantage, then why the hell aren't you growing? If it's because you can't grow and collect honor at the same time, then the kingdom that can grow and collect honor at the same time is better than you are. Period. If it's because you didn't want to grow, then you've made a strategical mistake when a bigger kingdom comes along and wants your resources.

This deserves to be emphasized. Palem hits the nail on the head here.

[starz]

agree with Palem.