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Murder is an action that can only be evaluated in an absolute sense (did or did not occur) by people aware of it (or it's possible existence). If Korp is the only one who knows about Bart's murder (was it Bart?) then, well, how true is a truth known only to a single man... especially one who won't confirm it.
Problem is that the law distinguishes between murder and manslaughter for instance. So until the "law" knows what happened, it's still up in the air whether something was murder or not according to the law.
But killing someone is murder, thats what been discussed. As the scenario already been defined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x59kS2AOrGMQuote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
No, like he just said, it could be manslaughter, which is not murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Not necessarily. Murder is a subgroup of killing. Killing is about causality --> my action leads to the death of another. Murder is about intention and causality --> my intention + action leads to the death of another.
You seem to forget I brought up the example and if I would have meant manslaughter I would have specified that. Besides, this conversation about defining if killing someone is against the law or not. Which it totally is in both cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
If you read my first post then you would realize i specifically used the word "Kill". EIther way both are against the law, doesnt matter if its is known or not more people than yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta
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Originally Posted by Korp
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If you read my first post then you would realize i specifically used the word "Kill". EIther way both are against the law, doesnt matter if its is known or not more people than yourself.
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It could be self-defense in which case it isn't against the law. Killing someone is not necessarily illegal. The reasoning behind it, along with the particulars of the act, determine whether it is legal or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
What the **** is wrong with you people, brining up irrelevant **** with your imaginary situations. Even when I lay out the situation for you seem too dumb grasp it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Che Guevara
not irrelevant to us Korp. dont be so irreverent.
If anyone is irreverent is you Bart, but thats nothing new. With that permaban in your backpack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta
If I give you a choice between A & B, you've failed if you say C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta
I'm confused. Did Folle murder someone?
Reading might help, just a wild hunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
This is the big one they can't let go of I think Palem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic
Ok, I'll be more direct
The definition of murder, legal or otherwise, has absolutely no connection to whether or not Folle is running multiple provinces. Get back no topic.
I think they made some kind of artificial connection to it, I'm really not in the mood to read through all of it.
Its about the legality of the issue, I was just posing a different view than Magic. That off topic rule should really be revised, it seems you just use it randomly at most and when you dont feel like doing the job you are suppose you make up some vague reason to keep the off topic around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
The question is and still stands if you dont get punished for it is it still cheating/against the rules? Too bad you cant see the connection and try to take the lazy way out of it.
Essentially we have a segment of the player base with no guilt mechanism. The idea that murder is wrong is just sitting in the garage collecting dust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
I see this in my community as well. Those of a cultural persuasion feel that others of their cultural persuasion should act freely once they've done their time. At no point is the idea that the permanent damage inflicted by these persons considered wrong, as it were. Now have it be that someone not of their cultural persuasion commit the same crime, then the "wrong" is clear and forever.
A friend of mine pointed out that the guilt mechanism is culturally specific. I won't go into which ones, but that the inability to experience personal guilt is replaced with shaming by others in said cultures. This is inherently a primitive reaction based in pure animal behavior to please ones master or pack.
I figured that last part out myself. All things lead back to cultural integrity or love to those who feel it. While we might congratulate technical innovations to some that are morally inept, I challenge that their tools are not integral to the human condition. What we build from love is the most enduring signature.
For your Sunday ;-)
That was never the question at hand though. Godly started the thread stating that on top of taking the appropriate steps to get him actioned, that they were also taking matters into their own hands and attempted to stop his efforts themselves. Whether or not he is actually breaking any rules was never a point of discussion until someone randomly decided to say that if he's not deleted then he's not breaking the rules (which is a logically fallacy in itself)Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Also, if you're unsatisfied with efforts take it up with Bishop.
That's why we have the Nobel Prize. His invention was supposed to help miners, but we all know what use mankind immediately found for it.
"They presented me as the "evil genius", The Merchant of Death , but I only worked for the benefit of mankind. The only goal of my life was to expand knowledge, convinced that above all it meant spreading welfare" - Alfred Nobel 1896.
You consider Folle be part of topic when its a thread about CR and Panda but a question that is actually related to Folle directly if hes not cheating or not isnt on topic? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
If i could only get my hands on that dear friend of mine i would! Usually response would be calling me Dear friend and ignore me.
The reason why we have a Nobel Prize is cause Alfred Nobel left in his will that his fortune should be invested into creating a price for people that done some good for humanity, in forms av research, progress etc. That he invented the dynamite has nothing to do with the Nobel Prize.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
It does, he was scared of his legacy after reading another inventor's obituary saying something like: "The man who found a way to kill humans a lot quicker is now dead." That's when he decided to leave his fortune to "mankind".
You're correct. It could just be a matter of Bishop not being at work more than 1 day a RL month. The funny part is he claimed he gets paid more money than me. I wonder what he's doing over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
He was an active participant in the war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
The definition of murder (and the 3 pages dedicated to it) is not in any way related to folle and his possible multi'ing. On top of that it's just flat out irrelevant if he's "cheating" or not. If he's cheating then support will action him. If he's "not cheating" then CR had plans to deal with him and that was entirely what this thread was about.
True. I heared Nobel was collecting and selling ice and snow during the cold Swedish winters. He would've made his fortune regardless.Quote:
The reason why we have a Nobel Prize is cause Alfred Nobel left in his will that his fortune should be invested into creating a price for people that done some good for humanity, in forms av research, progress etc. That he invented the dynamite has nothing to do with the Nobel Prize.
Woah, when did we get this new feauture where 3 kingdoms can be in the same war?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
The foundations for the prize were laid in 1895 when Alfred Nobel wrote his last will, leaving much of his wealth to the establishment of the Nobel Prize. The reason he did this was because of the obituary he read, and he didn't want to end up like the man in the obituary because he as well had an invention that could be used to kill people.
What does Bishops work have to do with Utopia? Oh, wait did you think Bishops job was Utopia? Hahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godly
My IRL job is posting in these forums. I get paid nothing, voluntary work.Quote:
What does Bishops work have to do with Utopia? Oh, wait did you think Bishops job was Utopia? Hahaha.
Well, Korp considering he's the *game admin*, yes I do. You think he does this as a volunteer job? He is an employee of B&S, from everything I've heard.
When the game didn't lock other kingdoms out from hitting/oping into wars...Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
and for the love of god shut up about Nobel.
Pretty sure he just stated that he got paid better than you not mentioning S nor B. Well, newsflash this isnt his actual job, this is what he does in addition to his actual job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godly
Oh, well if that's true I apologize. I was under the impression he was an employee.
You say this as a moderator or a regular user? Because my posts are a continuation to Strato's post and further explanation upon it because people were correcting me in an incorrect way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
You do realize that War is a state where two kds are involved. Outside interference isnt part of the war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
He might get some money for his services that I dont know about, but he does have a "real job" as well. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Godly