Proposal to end he Awar

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21-06-2015, 18:11
Korp

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I am again asking flogger that if he wants the top without cheating then as ASF pointed out, why did flogger wait till it happened to him and not on others? Why is PYRO supporting this when they have done DUBIOUS things in VERY RECENT past?

By your own logic that must mean you dont want a top without cheating cause you have failed to action your comrades in previous instances.
21-06-2015, 18:13
SlightlyOverdosed

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Originally Posted by Judge

I guess you didnt read it. It was a direct action from us where we defeated thm even after the GC farming. I am again asking flogger that if he wants the top without cheating then as ASF pointed out, why did flogger wait till it happened to him and not on others?

You yourself mention that Emerity, the offended party, deemed the war win against Pyro as sufficient.
You haven't asked others for help.

Why would another KD do more?
21-06-2015, 18:14
Judge

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Originally Posted by Korp

By your own logic that must mean you dont want a top without cheating cause you have failed to action your comrades in previous instances.

No I am just saying, that you cannot stop this so called cheating. Be it any of the kds.. As they will always have friends help them out in need! (This is my personal view)
I am again repeating my question though, why did flogger wait till it happened to him and not on others? Why is PYRO supporting this when they have done DUBIOUS things in VERY RECENT past? Pyro does cheating and now they are termed as saints and are helping in the GB?
21-06-2015, 18:16
Judge

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Originally Posted by SlightlyOverdosed

You yourself mention that Emerity, the offended party, deemed the war win against Pyro as sufficient.
You haven't asked others for help.

Why would another KD do more?

So does this mean that BB. the offended party did not have any chance to handle this 1 on 1 and thats why went asking all the kd's to help them GB us for 300-400 razed acres and that too not by us?
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21-06-2015, 18:16
Korp

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Originally Posted by Judge

No I am just saying, that you cannot stop this so called cheating. Be it any of the kds.. As they will always have friends help them out in need! (This is my personal view)
I am again repeating my question though, why did flogger wait till it happened to him and not on others? Why is PYRO supporting this when they have done DUBIOUS things in VERY RECENT past?

Well, you could certainly act upon it when you are in the same alliances as the cheateing party. But I guess its easier to turn a blind eye to it being friends and all.
21-06-2015, 18:18
lampost

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Originally Posted by Korp

Those the crime get less bad if its done several ages ago than say last age?

A crime is a crime. But do you want to gather all the kds in the history of the game that have committed crimes, get them to sign up in one kd and then punish them? We're talking about last age.
21-06-2015, 18:21
Judge

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Originally Posted by Korp

Well, you could certainly act upon it when you are in the same alliances as the cheateing party. But I guess its easier to turn a blind eye to it being friends and all.

Cheating is Cheating! At one side you cannot support cheating and at a second side you try to gain support by claiming cheating against you and showing a baby face!
21-06-2015, 18:23
Korp

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Originally Posted by Judge

Cheating is Cheating! At one side you cannot support cheating and at a second side you try to gain support by claiming cheating against you!

But by doing nothing you have approved of the cheating previously mentioned and now when a enemy of yours is in a odd position its suddenly bad? ,)
21-06-2015, 18:27
Felonious

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Originally Posted by flogger

pyro had 10 people leave their kd and you replace that with 10 guys you don't know. We know that cause CJ left and some others took the age off as well. 1 of em was bad. Both BB and Abs have traded in players who do bad things, pyro was punished pretty significantly if I recall.

Yet, its the Pyro guys themselves who keep saying there are no 'coincidences', the irony....

Losing 380a in yr1 isnt age ruining or chart shaping, esp when abundant reparations are immediately offered in compensation (I think only sheister is still clinging to the silly argument that you would have been permanently weakened?). You didnt want that, said it wasnt punishment enough on Emeriti for their involvement in the razes. I could say thats fair. But your demands that we completely bow out of the age or be dealbroke/gangbanged was 100% age ruining and chart shaping. It was so over the top redonkulous that it became clear to many of us that this isnt really abt the razes at all. If someone steals a jacket should they be punished? Sure. Should they be beaten to death? Hardly.
Having said that, I cant say that I've minded this so-called awar (lol) terribly. A lot of it has been fun actually. What seems a lot less fun is the fallout all this mess will likely cause for ages to come. And we all know we dont have many of those left. So gg...
21-06-2015, 18:27
Judge

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Originally Posted by Korp

But by doing nothing you have approved of the cheating previously mentioned and now when a enemy of yours is in a odd position its suddenly bad? ,)

No I am just saying that Flogger from start has been saying that he wants to set a precedent! So why is he supporting his allies who are cheating? Flogger is the White knight right? So he should have the same action for everyone.

Secondly again like flogger states that never before in last 20 ages has a kd hit in eowcf but now this age there are atleast 10 who did it. Why again is that he wants to punish just us? IF HE WANTS TO SET A PRECEDENT then all the kds should face the same punishment? Enemies or allies whatsoever?
21-06-2015, 18:43
MyNameIsMatija

To the people saying the punishment for the eowcf razes is not proportional to the offense...

This would probably be true if this was a single incident that happened and would likely not happen again in the near future. However, the reputation of the KD at hand, their affinity for such behavior and so on suggest that these offenders are likely to repeat the offense unless the punishment was more severe. It works the same way in real life law (I'm not a law student or very familiar with it but I know that much).
21-06-2015, 18:46
Judge

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

To the people saying the punishment for the eowcf razes is not proportional to the offense...

This would probably be true if this was a single incident that happened and would likely not happen again in the near future. However, the reputation of the KD at hand, their affinity for such behavior and so on suggest that these offenders are likely to repeat the offense unless the punishment was more severe. It works the same way in real life law (I'm not a law student or very familiar with it but I know that much).

The Law also states that the punishment is same for all offenders.. So why did flogger state on top that it will not be possible for their side to abide to it?

They want to set a particular thing and they themself dont wanna follow it?
21-06-2015, 18:48
Verminator

Flogger is the Steven Seagal of Utopia... he is ABOVE THE LAW!
21-06-2015, 18:49
MyNameIsMatija

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Originally Posted by Judge

The Law also states that the punishment is same for all offenders.. So why did flogger state on top that it will not be possible for their side to abide to it?

They want to set a particular thing and they themself dont wanna follow it?

Don't generalize.
It is illegal to kill a man, yet a death sentence exists. See where I'm getting at? If not I'll explain further.
21-06-2015, 18:53
Judge

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Don't generalize.
It is illegal to kill a man, yet a death sentence exists. See where I'm getting at? If not I'll explain further.

Yes I know where you are getting at. But the reason here is same! To set a precedent that you shouldnt hit into EOWCF. 10-12 kds participating in this GB on both sides and are hitting in EOWCF. So why is that only one side should be actioned?
21-06-2015, 18:55
lampost

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

To the people saying the punishment for the eowcf razes is not proportional to the offense...

This would probably be true if this was a single incident that happened and would likely not happen again in the near future. However, the reputation of the KD at hand, their affinity for such behavior and so on suggest that these offenders are likely to repeat the offense unless the punishment was more severe. It works the same way in real life law (I'm not a law student or very familiar with it but I know that much).

OMG are you serious? After bb aligned with the proven rulebreakers from last age PYRO?????
21-06-2015, 18:56
MyNameIsMatija

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Originally Posted by Judge

Yes I know where you are getting at. But the reason here is same! To set a precedent that you shouldnt hit into EOWCF. 10-12 kds participating in this GB on both sides and are hitting in EOWCF. So why is that only one side should be actioned?

Does the man pulling the switch on the electric chair go to trial for that act?
21-06-2015, 18:57
Judge

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Does the man pulling the switch on the electric chair go to trial for that act?

No but the man trying to set a precedent and himself not sticking to it should!!
21-06-2015, 18:57
Felonious

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

To the people saying the punishment for the eowcf razes is not proportional to the offense...

This would probably be true if this was a single incident that happened and would likely not happen again in the near future. However, the reputation of the KD at hand, their affinity for such behavior and so on suggest that these offenders are likely to repeat the offense unless the punishment was more severe. It works the same way in real life law (I'm not a law student or very familiar with it but I know that much).

Terrible argument. The law isnt supposed to be swayed by public opinion. The punishment should fit the crime. It should apply to any and all offenders, not conveniently ones of your choosing.
21-06-2015, 19:00
Palem

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

To the people saying the punishment for the eowcf razes is not proportional to the offense...

This would probably be true if this was a single incident that happened and would likely not happen again in the near future. However, the reputation of the KD at hand, their affinity for such behavior and so on suggest that these offenders are likely to repeat the offense unless the punishment was more severe. It works the same way in real life law (I'm not a law student or very familiar with it but I know that much).

Can you describe exactly what this kingdom has done that has given them such a deep history of poor conduct? This kingdom has existed for like 3 ages iirc.
21-06-2015, 19:01
Judge

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

To the people saying the punishment for the eowcf razes is not proportional to the offense...

This would probably be true if this was a single incident that happened and would likely not happen again in the near future. However, the reputation of the KD at hand, their affinity for such behavior and so on suggest that these offenders are likely to repeat the offense unless the punishment was more severe. It works the same way in real life law (I'm not a law student or very familiar with it but I know that much).

OMG I didnt completely read this.. Like LAMPOST suggested the reputation of kd at hand(pyro) their affinity to such behavious(since last 2 ages and current age too) and so on suggest that these offenders are likely to repeat this offence unless the punishment was more severe!!

And still BB is allied to them!!
21-06-2015, 19:03
Judge

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Originally Posted by Felonious

Terrible argument. The law isnt supposed to be swayed by public opinion. The punishment should fit the crime. It should apply to any and all offenders, not conveniently ones of your choosing.

They are just trying to derail my questions which I have been asking to flogger since such a long time :(
21-06-2015, 19:03
MyNameIsMatija

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Originally Posted by Felonious

Terrible argument. The law isnt supposed to be swayed by public opinion. The punishment should fit the crime. It should apply to any and all offenders, not conveniently ones of your choosing.

Repeated offenders get a bigger punishment than first time offenders, that is a real life fact.

The flaw of the logic of your other arguments is explained in my previous two posts. I don't have a need to repeat myself like some others.
21-06-2015, 19:04
Aranfein

Palem as i previously said, people refer to Emeriti as Abs, even more so now that Zauper is there, its a kingdom collectively made up of former Abs (atleast majority), who has all been part of Abs powerplaying for ages, now this might not be true anymore but people see Emeriti as the face of Abs now, and who can really blame them? when most of the players there has been Abs for a huge amount of ages...

So yea im sure people can point to previous historical things troughout the ages that they are now paying back. (and before anyone says thats its not about that, then i beg the differ as the reaction is more then just getting someone to hit another kingdom into EoWCF.)

Those that mention Pyro, they were punished by the Mod/Dev for their ****play.. But if you want to think in those lanes, seeing CR/Rage (who got many in Emeriti now) should be punished for the grey area exploit even though they were also punished for it by the Mod/Devs? that makes absolutely no sense, i can name a lot of players that in that case needs to be sanctioned now.
21-06-2015, 19:05
Judge

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Repeated offenders get a bigger punishment than first time offenders, that is a real life fact.

The flaw of the logic of your other arguments is explained in my previous two posts. I don't have a need to repeat myself like some others.

Your argument is flwed my friend!! Lets assume your own statement in this, Flogger himself said no kd has done the razing in last 20 ages but this age atleast 10 of them have done it. Its a first time offence for all 10 of them.. Still just one side suffers it?

Now go and think abt it take a deep breathe and come and answer it!!
21-06-2015, 19:06
MyNameIsMatija

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Originally Posted by Palem

Can you describe exactly what this kingdom has done that has given them such a deep history of poor conduct? This kingdom has existed for like 3 ages iirc.

You know better than me who the members of the KD in question are. Look for your answer there. This thread already covers a lot of this.
21-06-2015, 19:07
Judge

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

Palem as i previously said, people refer to Emeriti as Abs, even more so now that Zauper is there, its a kingdom collectively made up of former Abs (atleast majority), who has all been part of Abs powerplaying for ages, now this might not be true anymore but people see Emeriti as the face of Abs now, and who can really blame them? when most of the players there has been Abs for a huge amount of ages...

So yea im sure people can point to previous historical things troughout the ages that they are now paying back. (and before anyone says thats its not about that, then i beg the differ as the reaction is more then just getting someone to hit another kingdom into EoWCF.)

Lets assume that all the things you say are correct. Then why is that just the EOWCF reason the main reason to be used everywhere? Also why just one kd is getting the punishment when there are 10+ kds who have hit into EOWCF this age?
21-06-2015, 19:08
Squee311

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No crying. Just bb and mates causing an awar and breaking deals over things that should be resolved diplomatically. Which even when it ends will possibly cause long term damage.

When diplomacy fails you get what again exactly?
21-06-2015, 19:09
MyNameIsMatija

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Originally Posted by Judge

Your argument is flwed my friend!! Lets assume your own statement in this, Flogger himself said no kd has done the razing in last 20 ages but this age atleast 10 of them have done it. Its a first time offence for all 10 of them.. Still just one side suffers it?

Now go and think abt it take a deep breathe and come and answer it!!

You need to take a deep breath and think about what I said about the person pulling the switch on the electric chair, he kills a man yet is not prosecuted for that act.
21-06-2015, 19:10
Judge

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Originally Posted by Squee311

When diplomacy fails you get what again exactly?

You honestly think they wanted to solve this via diplomacy?
21-06-2015, 19:10
SlightlyOverdosed

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Originally Posted by Judge

So does this mean that BB. the offended party did not have any chance to handle this 1 on 1 and thats why went asking all the kd's to help them GB us for 300-400 razed acres and that too not by us?
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No, this means that given Emerity themselves didn't see a point in actioning Pyro last age, after the war. Plus Emerity has chosen not to ask for assistance, there was no reason for BB to interfere.

The fact that Emerity chose not ask for further actioning last age, and have not asked for aid does not mean No one can ever choose to ask for help actioning a transgressor.

Emerity last age made a choice. Doesn't mean that it has now became law to do the same.
21-06-2015, 19:11
Judge

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

You need to take a deep breath and think about what I said about the person pulling the switch on the electric chair, he kills a man yet is not prosecuted for that act.

Here the question is are all the 10 deaths caused by the person pulling the switch? Answer is yes! So punishment to all the 10 should be the same!
21-06-2015, 19:11
Palem

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

You know better than me who the members of the KD in question are. Look for your answer there. This thread already covers a lot of this.

K. Just confirming that Emeriti was getting gangbanged for something other kingdoms did.
21-06-2015, 19:13
Judge

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Originally Posted by SlightlyOverdosed

No, this means that given Emerity themselves didn't see a point in actioning Pyro last age, after the war. Plus Emerity has chosen not to ask for assistance, there was no reason for BB to interfere.

The fact that Emerity chose not ask for further actioning last age, and have not asked for aid does not mean No one can ever choose to ask for help actioning a transgressor.

Emerity last age made a choice. Doesn't mean that it has now became law to do the same.

Exactly my point! We had the guts to win against our opponents and BB actually didnt! The damage in both the instances cannot be counted but atleast we didnt have to GB them to show our supremacy!
21-06-2015, 19:14
MyNameIsMatija

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Originally Posted by Palem

K. Just confirming that Emeriti was getting gangbanged for something other kingdoms did.

For what they told their friend in another KD to do, yes. The severity of their punishment was determined by their bad reputation.
21-06-2015, 19:25
SlightlyOverdosed

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Originally Posted by Judge

Exactly my point! We had the guts to win against our opponents and BB actually didnt! The damage in both the instances cannot be counted but atleast we didnt have to GB them to show our supremacy!

So your official stance is that if I am stronger than you then I can **** you over however I like, and since you can't beat me in 1v1 you are not allowed to do anything?

lol
21-06-2015, 19:29
Felonious

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

For what they told their friend in another KD to do, yes. The severity of their punishment was determined by their bad reputation.

So you're a proponent of Draconian law and guilt or innocence based on public opinion, good to know...

(most of the rhetoric that you've clearly been swayed by is against a phantom btw)
21-06-2015, 19:29
flogger

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Originally Posted by Judge

The Law also states that the punishment is same for all offenders.. So why did flogger state on top that it will not be possible for their side to abide to it?

They want to set a particular thing and they themself dont wanna follow it?

Your signature indicates you fought in 5 awars and won them, did you raze down after those wins?
21-06-2015, 19:30
Judge

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Originally Posted by SlightlyOverdosed

So your official stance is that if I am stronger than you then I can **** you over however I like, and since you can't beat me in 1v1 you are not allowed to do anything?

lol

Well no, My Stance is that for a petite reason where things can be resolved, i dont force a GB!
21-06-2015, 19:30
Judge

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Originally Posted by flogger

Your signature indicates you fought in 5 awars and won them, did you raze down after those wins?

You answer my questions first and then I will make sure I will answer yours!

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