Just so we all have our facts straight for #PayKuhan

Taken from here: http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...1#post15221439

Doing my best to sort out all the other stuff...

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Typical abs vs. non abs thread with lots of smack talk. I've seen a lot of X vs insert-Abs-kd-name-here and typically has the same result, Abs kd wins and thread goes quiet. I don't expect this to be any different.

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

Paypal $100. I bet Elit's kd wins.

U in? How do i know u will pay if u lose?

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Kuhan yes I am in. If you want we can both transfer our money to ASF and he will pay the proceeds to winner.

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

Deal. Pming ASF now. Will be on IRC later tonight.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

flogger you care to bet with me, you are supposed to be a west coast high roller. put your $$ where your mouth is, hundy spot on this.

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

So this isn't happening? Damn, i want 100 bucks from Proteus.

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(This comment is from Sanctuary slow rolling the hostile and taking a long time to declare. Nothing to do with anyone backing out)

War happens. AMA wins

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Originally Posted by CJay

Someone is going to lose $100 bucks.

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Originally Posted by ZodZilla

Yeah what's the deal there? Not sure if cash ever saw play, but I see what looked to me like a gentleman's wager :)

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Originally Posted by Drug

Also I would like to congratulate Kuhan for winning his 100$ bet. Let's hope that Proteus is man of his word

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Originally Posted by Cello

Unlikely, prot. As far as I know neither player was able to contact ASF, so no money has changed hands and Proteus will cancel the bet on a technicality ;)

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Originally Posted by KuhaN

ASF ignored all my PMs before war started. Im betting proteus was telling him to scam me and he didnt want to, so i guess atleast i didnt get scammed.

saD.

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End of thread. Beginning of 4 years of #PayKuhan



Ps please don't make me go through old threads. It's truly heartbreaking seeing all those old names :(

As a yellow member and someone with a respectable profession, it would seem to me that after he vouched for proteus on the other thread, Aquaseafoam should assume Proteus's obvious debt in this situation.

#paykuhan

Sidenote: I made a playful post teasing Binar and Proteus 2 weeks ago for being cocky after going from never succeeding to magically suceeding when joining abs kds, Proteus responded back "What's with the forum hate, Mad I make more than you?" which resulted in me saying I'd give him a freeroll of $500 if true (it's not) with some proof of say his last year's tax return. He said that'd be easy, just has to redact some info. Haven't heard back.

If I'm wrong, I'm out less than I spent treating BB'ers on wagyu steak 2 months ago in Vegas. #multiplewitnesses

#ImCaughtInMyOwnWebOfLies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca6MJwZ-O9o

#paykuhan to collect. Should be an easy $400

This was supposed to be the summer of Flogger!

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Originally Posted by Maximo

This was supposed to be the summer of Flogger!

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Maximo, why do you equate eating a giant block of cheese with some sort of bachelor paradise?

flog's massive income does not result in him knowing how computers work, so he posted in our channel about how to post logs so here it is


http://i.imgur.com/BVcLtja.jpg

As a member of Sanctuary at the time ... I was laughing when we lost to Ama, cuz proteus has to paid .... little did i know, kuhan still haven't received his lump sum side bet =\

I still owe SWEA poeple Dinner =(

It's ramadan, don't think about food

When kids do bets they ask other "did you have money" and use neutral person in middle for keep them. In our story we don't have Kids and both Kuhan/Proteus are supposed to have money. ASF is not neutral party too.
During this war i had ex KD mate bet 100 credits on us, he have won his bet and donated all credits to me. They didn't use man i middle. I remember other people doing bests and pay with credits. I think one from them was Goodz?

In modern days every one, special ppl in USA have Pay Pal account and pay with it is easy. I cant understand why some one need to suffer for 4 years over bet for 100 dollars when he can afford to pay it.

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Originally Posted by Mansoor

I still owe SWEA poeple Dinner =(

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Should i worry for dinner you offered me if came to Busan? :P

Checking in for a sec to thank flogger for the bomb dinner that night and to voice my support. #Paykuhan. Man's gotta live in the bay area and it's pretty expensive. Least you could do with your janitorial position @Proteus

Palem tell us not to troll Proteus and then creates a whole thread dedicate to trolling Proteus ...

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Originally Posted by Korp

Palem tell us not to troll Proteus and then creates a whole thread dedicate to trolling Proteus ...

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Only way to move on from this topic is to back in time how and when it started. I don't see Palem post like troll but more like chance for Proteus to finish it
I don't have any intention to troll Proteus too. My advice to him is to simple pay so no one can keep talk about this.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Palem tell us not to troll Proteus and then creates a whole thread dedicate to trolling Proteus ...

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He told yoou not to troll in that other thread. You are free to troll him here :)

Thanks Palem for this topic its was fun to re read drama from my last 1:1 war with ABS/Sanctuary. I see Dorje spend much time to accuse us for abuse some bug and its why he loss but he was victim on his knowledge on game mechanic. Main difference from how im play and rest leaders is i don't bother with complicated math. Here is proven stufs what work and what dont. Sanctuary did 2 big mistakes and its why they loss his war. 1. They had run 0 WTS and expect double fort stance+dragons will help them but its clear this wont work vs 9 halfings. And can you tell me what is going to do halfing in long hostile if he don't rob? All rest ops doing basically zero dmg in double fort.
2.Second and main mistake was for Sanctuary going long hostile and not rush for war. They had advantage in pure power=more attackers big gold advantage and better pumped result from specific age situation. AMA had gold for 2-3 dragons and Sanc for like 10+. In fast war gold wont be factor and halalling will be doing main black ops so its guarantee Sanc ability to train/feed/pay his army till all war. War will be very hard for us and Sanc was favorite to win it but still unpredictable.

What was result from Sanc bad strategy for prolong hostile? They loss all his gold and start have problem to pay his army. No money for dragons no feed. chain prov+gc starve and its out from war till we had ability for feed your chained. With masive T power here is not UB for us too. War was decided in hostile.

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Originally Posted by Elit

Thanks Palem for this topic its was fun to re read drama from my last 1:1 war with ABS/Sanctuary. I see Dorje spend much time to accuse us for abuse some bug and its why he loss but he was victim on his knowledge on game mechanic. Main difference from how im play and rest leaders is i don't bother with complicated math. Here is proven stufs what work and what dont. Sanctuary did 2 big mistakes and its why they loss his war. 1. They had run 0 WTS and expect double fort stance+dragons will help them but its clear this wont work vs 9 halfings. And can you tell me what is going to do halfing in long hostile if he don't rob? All rest ops doing basically zero dmg in double fort.
2.Second and main mistake was for Sanctuary going long hostile and not rush for war. They had advantage in pure power=more attackers big gold advantage and better pumped result from specific age situation. AMA had gold for 2-3 dragons and Sanc for like 10+. In fast war gold wont be factor and halalling will be doing main black ops so its guarantee Sanc ability to train/feed/pay his army till all war. War will be very hard for us and Sanc was favorite to win it but still unpredictable.

What was result from Sanc bad strategy for prolong hostile? They loss all his gold and start have problem to pay his army. No money for dragons no feed. chain prov+gc starve and its out from war till we had ability for feed your chained. With masive T power here is not UB for us too. War was decided in hostile.

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but it was a bug nevertheless because the following ages, fort -75% ops was implicated as it was stated in the previous age changes. jd also went hiking .... that didn't help ...

I wouldn't say it was a bug as much as the mechanic was poorly explained.

@korp - The thread serves 2 functions. To stop the #PayKuhan talk in the other war thread and to clear up some misinformation that was starting to spread. Honestly as "trolly" as the thread is I think it helps proteus as much as it hurts

@flogger
http://i.imgur.com/MuIQg4p.gif

Shows that Proteus isn't a man enough and that ASF knew Proteus would lose the bet hence didn't respond to Kuhan!

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Originally Posted by Korp

Shows that Proteus isn't a man enough and that ASF knew Proteus would lose the bet hence didn't respond to Kuhan!

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Is he even a man? Do we know? Anyone ever met him?

@Palem: is it possible you either moderate everything entirely or just none at all? Removing a few OT posts and leaving the rest is kinda double standards

Anyway, I'll respond to ProPro's last post here then:

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Originally Posted by Proteus

If it's so easy and you are so good in strategy, you should have done better. You like to make these comments at me but historically I have done so much better and have never lost to you. I like how you say "I wasn't leading" but you should really rephrase that to say "flogger wasn't leading." Also please remind ever when you were the monarch of a kingdom that crowned? In the past you used to play with flogger but he was the main one. I remember you used to be the main leader of Insolence/Inzzolence but those kingdoms never crowned or came close to it.

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I had my reasons for bailing on mod/astron leaving them with little knowledge about homespumping on an upcoming fight with Emeriti.
You're free to ask flogger how unimportant I was in BB. I did my thing, he did his. The collective made it strong. You aren't going to believe me, but since you look up to flogger so much, ask him, he'll verify it.
BB won I think age 61? Flogger didn't play. I also beat Emeriti in a BB off age without flogger.
And Inso was about as much fail as your funshow was :-p. I never solo lead Inso though (we would've done better if there wasn't some nub from Belgium sabotaging my hard work). That said, I never pretended Inso to be some superKD, so why you mention this I dont know.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

As for Kuhan he was supposed to send his money to be held in escrow if he wanted to bet with me as I told him initially and he never did. You guys can keep saying that all you want but it is just a dull sword. If that's the only thing you can say considering you've never beaten me yet I win against your kds consistently then ok that's all you got.

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You can either make a bet and keep your word, or you don't. Only one of them is a man, the other is a ****ing pussy.

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Originally Posted by protector

@Palem: is it possible you either moderate everything entirely or just none at all? Removing a few OT posts and leaving the rest is kinda double standards

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After a couple of attempts to steer the conversation back to the war, there was only a couple of users who insisted on discussing #PayKuhan, so I removed their posts in an effort to dissuade everyone else's participation. I really try my best to stay out of everyone's posts if I can.

I realize it looks bad in hindsight, but I was just trying to get things back on topic with as little post moderation as possible. If people think I'm applying double standards, I'd have to say they're just not looking at the big picture (in that the vast majority of time I don't really do anything lol)

Also, let's take it easy on the insults

Please do not question the greatest moderators ever on the greatest forum ever from the greatest game EVER. Palem is a great man and only makes good decisions concerning moderations, it's terrific.

You forgot to remove ASF Post Palem!!

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Originally Posted by astron

flog's massive income does not result in him knowing how computers work, so he posted in our channel about how to post logs so here it is


http://i.imgur.com/BVcLtja.jpg

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Is someone bragging about making low six figures?

In the big financial sector cities, that's like...upper middle class...

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Originally Posted by Meep

Is someone bragging about making low six figures?

In the big financial sector cities, that's like...upper middle class...

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$30000 is what I make in India and this is considered upper middle class! Salary disparity of india vs USA is 1:4. So had I been in USA I would have earned $120000 and still considered an upper Middle class!

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Originally Posted by Judge

$30000 is what I make in India and this is considered upper middle class! Salary disparity of india vs USA is 1:4. So had I been in USA I would have earned $120000 and still considered an upper Middle class!

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Depends extremely heavily on locale.

^that. You make 6 figures in my neck of the woods and you're pretty much Bill Gates lol

ok im trying to do a no Troll post here, i dont do that often.

To be fair when we we found Protouse and took him into fratzia he was an ok province player (reason why we let him in) at the time hesus, marcel and i was leading Fratzia (the rebuild) fast it was clear Protouse was a fast learner when it came to playing province/bank and he was promoted to be taken into leadership chan so he could follow the events as they happend and keep his (i must say well played bank) up to date at all time, but it was also clear that don pro was very green when it came to leadership he had never done this before, after some time i was sad to say i grew a little tired of his whinning, alot of ego mememe things and when i found out that he was taking leassons on the side from asf and giving him crusial info (he so wanted to be freinds with asf) that he told more from Fratzia then he should i asked hesus and Marcel to get rid of him, Marcel wanted him to have another shot and i keept being skeptic, its save to say that don pro learned alot from us old dogs on how to do diplo, kingdom management and so on, when age was comming to an end (or begenning od the next i dont remember) don pro pro was asked to leave, dont remember if he manage to get the crown while in Fratzia that we ofc won, but one thing was sure he was spamming mirc about how big a part he was of it, and to be fair he did play a good bank, but was never part of the leaders final dessions, pro later moved on to other kingdoms and im sure he learned alot from asf asf, and i dunno i wasent around when he won all the crowns he claim he has, but one thing i remember is this green lil don pro pro we took in, showed the robs.

Ooh ye i did take away a gen crown from pro pro when i won it (deal breaking him) that also made him sad.

Anyways best of luck don pro pro, but plz try and remember the people you talk about was Legendes 30-50 ages before you even became relevent, so speaking of there crowns of nothing makes me sad and makes you look sad.

Best of luck to you pro pro.

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Palem is a great man ....

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Was that finally resolved?

Gender really is more of a spectrum... ;)

You guys are right I'm just a lowly janitor also fat, ugly, bald, and single...it's what you want me to be so that's the truth. Another confession, I'm also bad at this game and none of my crowns are real and I didn't win them, I rode every single persons coat tails on the server, even that 25prov core player, and also didn't lead ever, only pretended to.

Mike none of the stuff you said is remotely true, I never even cowed in fratzia and was there for < 1 full age, did not play there when fratzia finally crowned, and never pretended to take credits for its crowns (given I played there way before it happened). The age I played in Fratzia, they were in the process of getting owned by an Abs kd, I believe it was Mercy and I moved on at EOA. I also never pretended to be in LS although either hesus or Marcel invited me to the council chan. Also another fun fact, every starts as a noob at some point in their careers and learns from others, there is literally zero shame in that. Flogger was a big noob when he returned to the game, needed to learn all he could from ASF/dorje when he was leading Mercy. If that was the case no one would ever go to university because it's too shameful to learn from others and increase your knowledge....

Love how it's the same people who consistently lost to Rage and Emeriti are always the ones trolling or the aabs haters like Mike.

Also Palem it's really funny for you to make a troll post, shows how serious Mods are on this board. You guys are held to such high standards. In any event you are a vast improvement over Dharan, him as a mod was embarrassment to the game.

Also for the intelligent people out there not sure if you ever heard of "sticks and stones" but you can say all the dumb stuff you want, at the end of the day when wars are won and lost, and when people crown and don't, that stuff is pretty evident...at least you have your jokes and trolling. As for attempting to comment on how people live IRL and their accomplishments or lackthereof, it's pissing in the dark because no one truly knows unless they actually know said person well IRL.

Surprised some of you haven't grown up over the years even though you are approaching 40 now....

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Originally Posted by Proteus

You guys are right I'm just a lowly janitor also fat, ugly, bald, and single...it's what you want me to be so that's the truth. Another confession, I'm also bad at this game and none of my crowns are real and I didn't win them, I rode every single persons coat tails on the server, even that 25prov core player, and also didn't lead ever, only pretended to.

Mike none of the stuff you said is remotely true, I never even cowed in fratzia and was there for < 1 full age, did not play there when fratzia finally crowned, and never pretended to take credits for its crowns (given I played there way before it happened). The age I played in Fratzia, they were in the process of getting owned by an Abs kd, I believe it was Mercy and I moved on at EOA.

Love how it's the same people who consistently lost to Rage and Emeriti are always the ones trolling or the aabs haters like Mike.

Also Palem it's really funny for you to make a troll post, shows how serious Mods are on this board. You guys are held to such high standards. In any event you are a vast improvement over Dharan, him as a mod was embarrassment to the game.

Also for the intelligent people out there not sure if you ever heard of "sticks and stones" but you can say all the dumb stuff you want, at the end of the day when wars are won and lost, and when people crown and don't, that stuff is pretty evident...at least you have your jokes and trolling. As for attempting to comment on how people live IRL and their accomplishments or lackthereof, it's pissing in the dark because no one truly knows unless they actually know said person well IRL.

Surprised some of you haven't grown up over the years even though you are approaching 40 now....

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And yet they bait you in every time :p

I'm hoping to war emeriti this age and win, but emeriti has been stuck in the rainforest trying to fight their way through some angry pandas for a couple of weeks now :(

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Originally Posted by Meep

emeriti has been stuck in the rainforest trying to fight their way through some angry pandas for a couple of weeks now :(

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Just learned that pandas live in rain forests! I doubted, so I googled it. These forums are the best...

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Originally Posted by Meep

And yet they bait you in every time :p

I'm hoping to war emeriti this age and win, but emeriti has been stuck in the rainforest trying to fight their way through some angry pandas for a couple of weeks now :(

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Don't you think it's funny for people that have never met someone or even had a personal conversation with them pretend to know how they are doing in real life?

If you vulture someone after war you would be really bad not to win nor would it prove anything.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Don't you think it's funny for people that have never met someone or even had a personal conversation with them pretend to know how they are doing in real life?

If you vulture someone after war you would be really bad not to win nor would it prove anything.

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I do think it's funny, but just as funny is it sucking you in.

No idea where you live or how you're doing, hopefully well in all areas of life.

But like, if you're making 200-250 in lower manhattan, you can basically uh, barely afford not to commute :p

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Originally Posted by Meep

I do think it's funny, but just as funny is it sucking you in.

No idea where you live or how you're doing, hopefully well in all areas of life.

But like, if you're making 200-250 in lower manhattan, you can basically uh, barely afford not to commute :p

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Yeah doing good all around fortunately, hope you are too

I'm in a low cost of living city with nice weather

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Originally Posted by CannaWhoopazz

Just learned that pandas live in rain forests! I doubted, so I googled it. These forums are the best...

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The Lost Pandas of Brazil. ~ You're about to stumble into Animal Planet quick-camera-angle documentaries.

I'm fine with Proteus and I've accomplished nothing and make less money in RL.

Also, I accidentally retaliated KuHan once and I felt genuinely bad when I found out it was him. It was just strategy because I figured Tras19 would be prepared for my counter. It's interesting to see how into the game kuhan was in the old posts.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Also Palem it's really funny for you to make a troll post, shows how serious Mods are on this board. You guys are held to such high standards.

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People were discussing #PayKuhan in the other thread (off topic), and in doing so weren't even doing it accurately ("it was $50", "there was no middle man at first", etc). I made a thread where I directly quote from the original thread everything involved in the origin of this whole thing for people to either refresh their memory or actually get the facts behind the long-standing #PayKuhan trope, some of which actually defends you. You may not like the subject matter but I fail to see how this is a troll topic. It is a topic addressing a troll joke. There's a difference. If I was telling you to #PayKuhan then you could most definitely say I'm trolling.

I thought somebody picked up the alleged tab anyways.

A guy at work borrowed $5 from me and he keeps reminding me. It's really just gone to me: I've smoked my cigars, ate my food, filled my gas tank. I don't miss it. - Some homeless fella halfheartedly asked for a buck when I was leaving a high class Mexican restaurant, Taco Bell. I enthusiastically offered him that dollar. It's probably melted crack now, but as long as he's not knifing people to chase the dragon.

I don't recall Kuhan ever contacting me, but I could have been away at the time also. I looked back through my utonet logs and my log with Kuhan starts September 27, 2012. "The bet" was in 2013, so I'm not sure why there are no instances of Kuhan messaging me in my logs from that time.

Had I actually been involved in any way, I'd have ensured the winning party got paid, but as it stood, I was not involved and I don't recall (or have logs of) being contacted by Kuhan to follow through on it.

Edit: I checked my forum messages and he did PM me on the forum, but I didn't see it until after things had finished in the conflict in question. He never did PM me on IRC (I would have seen it faster there.)

04-04-2013, 17:48 KuhaN
hey
Me and proteus are going to bet 100 on the ma/sanc war. He said both of us give it to u and u give it to the winner. Do you have a paypal, or how should we do this?
Thx.

15-04-2013, 12:44 AquaSeaFoam
Re: hey
Hah, I just saw this now. The forum notifications are not very eye catching :\

15-04-2013, 15:38 KuhaN
Re: hey
it's ok, im over all that neways.

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Originally Posted by Proteus

You guys are right.

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Suddenly you're the voice of righteousness here? YOU were always the first one to try and drag in people's lives and make salary comparisons. YOU are the one trying to setup real money bets. YOU are the one refusing to own up when you lose.

My value of Utopian accomplishments at this point is 0 since I don't play and don't care, but your actions with both kuhan and flogger show that you're not serious and can't be trusted to make good on your word. I've met both and both are great dudes. They made the effort to show up and did exactly as they said they would. So I'm just backing up some bros. #paythem