Quote Originally Posted by citadela01 View Post
Actually that is only true if they yield button control.
As long as they are willing to get trashed to bits to ensure you dont crown you are the one with limited options.
They would need proper setup/nw spread to ensure they can do the dmg ofc, as well as knowledge of your cf's timing out, but those are all details most of which your direct competition will readily supply to them under the table.

I am not trying to persuade someone to grief someone else, but I will gladly help a fellow utopian with advice on how to fight back against someone griefing them.
But that all presupposes that they are given button control in the first place? You can Danzig both make the same assumption, that the top kd would somehow be giving up button control, while all the same time you and SF advocate for mass plundering and razing.

If you are mass plundering or razing, you are giving up the button. Otherwise, ultimately you're limited to 1 hit per day to stay under hostile. If you're making 1 hit per day, the top kd can (and historically, has, during prep times) ignore you, and you need to worry about your competition hitting you, kds looking for war, etc.

If they wave you, then you are limited to making what, 12 hits per day(?) once meter maxes -- which happens pretty fast if you're trading hits, while the kd you're trading with gets 2+ waves per day. You get farmed out or destroyed pretty rapidly. And you're essentially counting on another top kd to bail you out of the situation you've put yourself in -- while at the same time, acknowledging that no one in the top likes the style of play you're advocating. Why do you then think a top kd is going to bail you out?