Havoc vs AMA Round 2

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This is off topic, so in respect of the thread I will stay short.

I never suggested that the only issue was that we beat others to acres. I suggested that is the main reason for your tears: had the acres been helpful to your cause, you would've been singing a different tune. As for which kingdom, any one willing to give us such relations I would have to assume given that they explicitly told us we could not expect "fair treatment" from them. What do you expect us to do in that situation? Sit there and wait until a kingdom infamous for deal breaking and foul play decide to screw us over even worse? No. We did what any sensible kingdom would do in that situation: in lack of alliance back-up, we took matters in to our own hands. Most likely, it will cost us the age, but with such threats hanging over your head, there is no shot at crowning anyway.

But, don't worry. Should there be the slightest threat of SWEA crowning, I am sure that Absalom will write up a new precedent that justifies their gang banging: after all, Mansoor was a naughty boy a near-decade ago. With ASF back, I am sure you can spin that to your needs.

Again, noone would be upset with a kd having generated acres from #:## due to a fair 1v1 war. This kd should be been PewPew. I would be just as mad about any other kd TM'ing into war under any condition.

As of now, the 2 reasons you've given for doubling a kd with an ally for acres through their war stance is 1)I wouldn't care if it hand't been you guys doing this for gains, and 2) Some mysterious kd 1/4 your size maybe interfering in some future engagement, after PewPew warred.

1 is simply not true, as it's the precedent of TM'ing into another kd's war for acres is the issue.
2 is just ridiculous, especially considering you are eoa NaP'd with 2 other kd's in the top 5 and at the very least on very good terms with another one.