Originally Posted by
Mordrek
So you expected us to drop you into declaration range :) Then I revoke my comment about the free acres.
We expected a hostile - you guys had 2/2 War Wins so you couldn't be retards. Once you FBed our bank, as expected, the NW gap closed considerably. We basically traded being in range every wave, but you guys wanted to have your armies home to hit in war when you declared, which was what caused problems.
It's funny that you mention it, since we had forgot about the relative nw part until some 20 hours before we sat our declaration date and the discussions was more about the question whether we would create a dual button once at max hostile or not...
...and you gave us a really fun week with your wave, and it was a nice war so I don't want to ruin whatever relations and good air it gave both our kids...
...however, if Maximouse told you that he had 3 different declaration dates then probably he had even though he never mentioned it to his council.
Maximouse's quote on declare range was at around 19:00 on July 3rd, we waved on 10:00 on July 3rd (approximately). I know you guys randomed outside of hostile a lot though, to make sure you kept button.
Session Start: Tue Jul 03 10:57:59 2012
Session Ident: maximouse
[10:57] Session Ident: maximouse (Absalom, therock) (maximouse@absalom-E7CDB56E.dynamic.upc.nl)
[10:57] <maximouse> hey
[10:58] <therock> hi!
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[10:58] maximouse is maximouse@absalom-E7CDB56E.dynamic.upc.nl * ...
[10:58] maximouse on #mercy +#absalom @#kingdom @#nl
[10:58] maximouse using irc.absalom.info Absalom Phoenix Server
[10:58] maximouse has been idle 45secs, signed on Tue Jul 03 10:40:23
[10:58] maximouse End of /WHOIS list.
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[10:59] <maximouse> figured out who your hostile with yet?
[10:59] <therock> nah
[10:59] <therock> we're simple people
[10:59] <therock> we just hit stuff
[10:59] <maximouse> lol
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Session Start: Tue Jul 03 19:20:42 2012
Session Ident: maximouse
[22:04] <therock> war time!
[22:04] <maximouse> it is?
[22:04] <therock> yeah
[22:04] <therock> we are ready
[22:04] <therock> you can push button now
[22:04] <maximouse> lol
[22:06] <maximouse> drop 11K NW please
[22:06] <therock> why?
[22:06] <maximouse> declare range:P
[22:06] <maximouse> new feature this age
[22:06] <therock> wtf
[22:06] <therock> you got yourselves hit out of nw range?
[22:06] <maximouse> you can declare 33% upwards and 25% downwards
[22:07] <maximouse> we were at 22% your size to begin with
[22:07] <therock> gayyyyyyyyyy
Maxi also said Hawk's a noob, so what does he know? ;) Those could've just been wave dates for all I know, he's my only leak from your kingdom :(
And I only picked up on the "I'll give you two more kingdoms it didn't work for - Mercy vs Monument, when we had them just under 75% of our NW. Without our bank, the kingdoms were the same size. They wanted a war, we wanted a war, we both had to deal with things to make sure we could have the war we wanted." part since it's a matter where the system worked as intended regardless of what we think of it :S You had a bank, or rather still have, which inflates your kd nw and that gives you both advantages, disadvantages and... funny problems.
However, that last part can be addressed by returning to the former nw-range for the smaller part in the conflict, allowing them the "grace" to still declare even though the enemy kingdom is at most 200% their own kd nw size while retaining the protection the 75% limit downwards gives smaller kingdoms.
Fair point, I did mention it in that context. However, in mentioning it there, I wasn't referring to top kingdoms being waved by smaller kingdoms (fairly obvious, since we waved you), but rather that you guys wanted to declare but you had to spend time hitting us down and losing armies that could've been used in war to hit in hostile. It's not like it was one or two armies, either - you lost half a wave on lining up NW range. That wasn't a case of a bigger kingdom trying to steal acres from a smaller kingdom or a smaller kingdom stealing acres from a bigger kingdom, but rather two kingdoms who were in very reasonable range of each other that wanted to war but had to deal with game mechanics to get the war going. I think that's a pretty solid example of the mechanics working against you.
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June 21 of YR7 Philosoraptor (Monument) attempted to invade John Bonham (Mercy).
June 21 of YR7 Bob Marley has sent an aid shipment to Wong Ka-kui.
June 21 of YR7 Philosoraptor (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 321 acres of land.
June 21 of YR7 Philosoraptor (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 147 acres of land.
June 22 of YR7 Bob Marley has sent an aid shipment to Kurt Cobain.
June 22 of YR7 Ian Curtis has sent an aid shipment to Kurt Cobain.
June 22 of YR7 Internet Is For p0rn (Monument) invaded John Bonham (Mercy) and captured 219 acres of land.
June 22 of YR7 LOL WUT Pear (Monument) invaded John Bonham (Mercy) and captured 237 acres of land.
June 22 of YR7 LOL WUT Pear (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 88 acres of land.
June 22 of YR7 Charlie bite me (Monument) invaded George Harrison (Mercy) and captured 387 acres of land.
June 22 of YR7 An unknown province from Trap Card is hostile (Monument) invaded Michael Jackson (Mercy) and captured 286 acres of land.
June 22 of YR7 An unknown province from Trap Card is hostile (Monument) invaded Michael Jackson (Mercy) and captured 140 acres of land.
June 22 of YR7 Honey Bager Dont Care (Monument) invaded George Harrison (Mercy) and captured 248 acres of land.
June 22 of YR7 All your base are belong to us (Monument) invaded John Bonham (Mercy) and captured 120 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 I Like Turtles (Monument) invaded Devo (Mercy) and captured 347 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Trap Card is hostile (Monument) has declared WAR with our kingdom!
June 23 of YR7 I Like Turtles (Monument) invaded Devo (Mercy) and captured 222 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Socially awkward penguin (Monument) invaded John Bonham (Mercy) and captured 205 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Angry German Kid (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 162 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Socially awkward penguin (Monument) invaded Devo (Mercy) and captured 143 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Chocolate Rain (Monument) invaded John Bonham (Mercy) and captured 156 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Angry German Kid (Monument) invaded John Bonham (Mercy) and captured 142 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Two Girls One Cup (Monument) invaded John Bonham (Mercy) and captured 125 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Raptor Jesus (Monument) invaded John Bonham (Mercy) and captured 132 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Two Girls One Cup (Monument) invaded Devo (Mercy) and captured 141 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Raptor Jesus (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 155 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Two Girls One Cup (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 108 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Elvis has sent an aid shipment to Kurt Cobain.
June 23 of YR7 Loituma girl (Monument) invaded John Bonham (Mercy) and captured 85 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Suck My Balls Mr Garrison (Monument) invaded John Bonham (Mercy) and captured 92 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 All your base are belong to us (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 119 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 My Little Pony (Monument) invaded John Bonham (Mercy) and captured 82 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Loituma girl (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 94 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Loituma girl (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 79 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 My Little Pony (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 80 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Internet Is For p0rn (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 82 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Old spice guy (Monument) invaded John Bonham (Mercy) and captured 80 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Chocolate Rain (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 67 acres of land.
June 23 of YR7 Chocolate Rain (Monument) invaded Johnny Cash (Mercy) and captured 57 acres of land.
Either your war strategy involved using 12 of the 34 hits made that our in hostile, or the mechanics forced you to do it to declare.
I'd agree with your last point only in the case where the bigger kingdom is the aggressor (ie, Mercy vs Monument - crap, I used it again), but not where the smaller kingdom is (ie, Rage vs FTF - new example!). The protection system should ensure that aggressive kingdoms that attack larger people can be fought in a fair fight (ie, war), but that aggressive kingdoms that come after smaller kingdoms can not force them into war (through maxing the meter) or steal a button (through chicanery/shenanigans).[/CODE]
I'd agree with your last point only in the case where the bigger kingdom is the aggressor (ie, Mercy vs Monument - crap, I used it again), but not where the smaller kingdom is (ie, Rage vs FTF - new example!). The protection system should ensure that aggressive kingdoms that attack larger people can be fought in a fair fight (ie, war), but that aggressive kingdoms that come after smaller kingdoms can not force them into war (through maxing the meter) or steal a button (through chicanery/shenanigans).
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